You are a HERO MAKER with Patrick Ottley-O'Connor

The School Podcast The School Podcast May 17, 2025

Audio Brief

Show transcript
This episode covers veteran educator Patrick Ottley-O'Connor's 41-year journey in education, offering profound insights on evolving leadership, the critical importance of acknowledging privilege, and fostering a culture of wellbeing in educational settings. There are three pivotal takeaways from this conversation. First, effective leaders must transition from being central problem-solvers to empowering their teams as "hero makers." Second, acknowledging personal privilege is a moral duty, crucial for actively creating equitable opportunities for all. Third, intentionally inviting conflict and feedback, alongside visibly modeling self-care, are vital for robust community building and comprehensive team wellbeing. A truly effective leader evolves from being the "hero" who solves all problems, to becoming a "hero maker" who empowers their team to lead and develop independently. This shift fosters a self-sustaining coaching culture, where individuals are guided to operate "above the ownership line" by taking full accountability for their situations, actively focusing on solutions rather than falling into victimhood or blame. This empowerment ensures progress and collective growth. Understanding and openly acknowledging one's own privilege is a profound moral imperative for leadership. Patrick Ottley-O'Connor emphasizes that success is not merely "hard work plus talent," but critically includes "hard work plus talent plus opportunity." Leaders therefore bear a direct responsibility to actively create and expand equitable opportunities for everyone, particularly those from underrepresented or struggling backgrounds, embodying a genuine awareness of social and systemic inequalities. Building strong, resilient community relationships necessitates actively inviting feedback and even constructive conflict, treating all input as a valuable gift. This approach can transform passionate critics into committed partners, fostering deeper trust and buy-in. Furthermore, leaders must act as "wellbeing supermodels," visibly demonstrating consistent self-care and work-life balance. The compelling "oxygen mask" analogy powerfully stresses that securing one's own wellbeing first is paramount, enabling leaders to effectively support others while grounding their efforts in universal high expectations and consistent kindness, as advocated by the Dalai Lama. This conversation offers actionable strategies for developing supportive coaching cultures, building robust community engagement, and prioritizing holistic wellbeing through self-awareness, empowerment, and genuine care for every individual.

Episode Overview

  • Patrick Ottley-O’Connor shares his 41-year journey in education, discussing his personal struggles with imposter syndrome and his leadership evolution from a "hero" to a "hero maker."
  • The conversation explores the importance of acknowledging privilege, using it to create equitable opportunities, and the leader's role in building strong community relationships by inviting feedback and conflict.
  • A central theme is the necessity of prioritizing staff wellbeing, using frameworks like the "ownership line" and analogies such as the "oxygen mask" to emphasize self-care and accountability.
  • The episode concludes with actionable strategies for building a supportive coaching culture and practical advice for wellbeing, inspired by the NHS's Five Ways and a simple message from the Dalai Lama: "just keep being kind."

Key Concepts

  • Leadership as a "Hero Maker": The most effective leaders shift from being the central problem-solver ("hero") to empowering their team to become leaders in their own right ("hero makers"), fostering a self-sustaining coaching culture.
  • The "Ownership Line": A framework for accountability where individuals who operate "above the line" take ownership of their situation and are proactive. Those "below the line" fall into victimhood or blame, preventing progress.
  • Privilege and Opportunity: Acknowledging one's own privilege is a moral duty. The formula for success is not just "hard work + talent," but "hard work + talent + opportunity," making it a leader's responsibility to create equitable opportunities for all.
  • Wellbeing as a Model: Leaders must be "wellbeing supermodels," visibly demonstrating self-care practices. This is reinforced by the "oxygen mask" analogy, which stresses that one must secure their own wellbeing before they can effectively help others.
  • Inviting Conflict for Buy-In: Engaging with the community, especially parents, requires inviting feedback and even conflict. This treats their input as a "gift" and can transform passionate critics into committed partners.
  • "All Means All": A core educational principle that high expectations must apply to every single student and staff member without exception or caveat, especially for those who are struggling.
  • The Five Ways to Wellbeing: A practical framework for maintaining mental and emotional health, which includes exercise, noticing the world around you, learning new things, connecting with others, and giving back to the community.

Quotes

  • At 5:10 - "I was riddled with imposter syndrome... Kids like me, kids that came from my background... didn't become leaders." - Patrick reflects on his early career, explaining his self-doubt and the feeling that his working-class background was not typical for educational leaders at the time.
  • At 6:00 - "Hard work plus talent plus opportunity equals success." - Patrick revises his earlier success formula, stressing that opportunity, often linked to privilege, is a critical and frequently overlooked component.
  • At 8:03 - "I wear [the word woke] with a badge of honour in terms of I am woke to my opportunity and my privilege." - In response to being called "woke" by Laurence Fox, Patrick embraces the term as a positive descriptor for being aware of social and systemic inequalities.
  • At 21:33 - "That feedback is a real gift, even if some of those presents are a bit hard to receive sometimes, it's still a gift to get." - Explaining the value of getting feedback from parents, even when it's critical or hostile, especially when taking over a struggling school.
  • At 22:31 - "You must invite conflict. You must invite that in to help shape it. By doing that, you get buy-in." - Patrick explains his strategy for engaging parents and staff, arguing that welcoming criticism and difficult conversations is key to building trust, commitment, and shared accountability.
  • At 26:27 - "I describe myself as being a wellbeing supermodel... As leaders in school... we're expected to model the behaviors we want to see." - Explaining that leaders must actively demonstrate and model self-care and wellbeing for their staff to emulate.
  • At 28:19 - "On a plane, put your own mask on before helping someone... It's that important that if you don't, then you both could be gone." - Using the "oxygen mask" analogy to stress that staff must look after their own wellbeing first to be able to effectively help students.
  • At 33:09 - "A great leader is not a hero, they're a hero maker." - Recalling profound advice from his former primary school teacher that shifted his perspective on leadership from solving everyone's problems to empowering his team.
  • At 36:40 - "They all say, 'we're not doing it for Ofsted,' but you find them doing things for Ofsted." - Critiquing how the pressure of inspections can cause school leaders to focus on compliance rather than what is genuinely best for the school.
  • At 45:59 - "For everybody when they say 'all'... to really have the highest expectations for what we do. And when we say 'all', we mean 'all'." - Patrick passionately states his first "magic wand" wish for education: to have genuinely universal high expectations without caveats.
  • At 47:28 - "If you don't own it and you fall below the ownership line... you tend to fall into two categories: one as the victim or as the blamer." - He outlines the negative mindsets that result from a lack of personal accountability for one's situation.
  • At 57:37 - "[The Dalai Lama] said, 'Just keep being kind.'" - Recounting a meeting with the Dalai Lama after the UK riots, Patrick shares this simple yet profound advice for rebuilding communities, which he has adopted as a core principle.

Takeaways

  • Acknowledge your personal privileges and actively use your position to create equitable opportunities for those who may not have them.
  • Shift your leadership approach from being the primary problem-solver to one who empowers others, developing their skills and fostering a culture of coaching.
  • Intentionally invite and welcome criticism from your community; treat even harsh feedback as a valuable gift that can build trust and turn critics into allies.
  • Model the healthy work-life balance and self-care practices you want your team to adopt, as your actions set the standard for the organization.
  • Prioritize your own wellbeing first, understanding that you cannot effectively support others if you are operating from a place of depletion.
  • When facing challenges, take ownership of the situation by accepting reality and focusing on actionable solutions, avoiding the pitfalls of blame or victimhood.
  • Ground your leadership in universal high expectations and consistent kindness, as these are fundamental to building a strong, supportive, and successful community.