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This episode covers the critical disparity between tech sector earnings and the rest of the S&P 500, along with the evolving demands for AI monetization.
There are four key takeaways from this conversation.
First, the market is grappling with an "Ex-Tech" reality check. While the S&P 500 shows blended earnings growth of nearly 9%, this figure is misleading. If you remove the technology sector, growth drops to a meager 2.9%. This mathematical reality explains why the "Magnificent 7" remain the market's fulcrum. They are carrying the entire growth narrative, making their earnings reports pivotal for overall market direction.
Second, investors have shifted from rewarding AI announcements to demanding AI results. The market phase has moved beyond excitement over massive capital expenditures on chips and data centers. Now, companies like Meta and Google face scrutiny as these expenditures are viewed as costs rather than pure innovation. To maintain their valuations, these firms must demonstrate clear return on investment and specific revenue streams attached to billions in infrastructure spending.
Third, a "bullish broadening" is emerging as capital rotates. As the major tech leaders trade sideways, money is moving into the other 493 stocks in the index. This rotation signals a healthier, less fragile market structure that relies less on a handful of tickers. Part of this rotation involves a fundamental re-rating of the Utilities sector. No longer just defensive yield plays, utilities are now viewed as essential "picks and shovels" for the AI revolution due to the immense power requirements of data centers.
Finally, there is a distinct divergence between hardware and software stocks. A major capital rotation is occurring out of Software as a Service, or SaaS, and into semiconductors. The market fears that AI will allow users to code their own software, effectively commoditizing SaaS platforms. Conversely, chips are seen as the scarce, essential commodity. Additionally, the conversation warns against buying "cheap" stocks with low P/E multiples ahead of earnings, as data suggests stocks with expanding multiples are more likely to see positive revisions.
In summary, the market is demanding concrete returns from AI investments while simultaneously broadening out to sectors like utilities and industrials, signaling a potentially more durable bull market.
Episode Overview
- Understanding the "Ex-Tech" Growth Gap: Analyzes the critical disparity between the technology sector's earnings growth and the rest of the S&P 500, explaining why the market remains heavily reliant on the "Magnificent 7."
- The Shift from AI Hype to ROI: Discusses the new phase of AI investing where companies like Meta and Google must move beyond announcing massive infrastructure spending to proving actual revenue generation and monetization strategies.
- Navigating Market Broadening: Examines the "bullish broadening" phenomenon where money rotates from stalled tech leaders into the other 493 stocks, signaling a healthier, more durable bull market.
- Sector Rotation Strategies: Explores the divergence between "safe" semiconductor stocks and vulnerable software (SaaS) stocks, alongside the re-rating of utilities as critical AI infrastructure.
- Global Opportunities & "Cheap" Stocks: Debunks the strategy of buying low P/E stocks ahead of earnings and presents the growing case for international diversification after 15 years of US dominance.
Key Concepts
- The "Ex-Tech" Reality Check: The S&P 500's blended earnings growth of ~8.6% is misleading. When the technology sector is removed, growth drops to a meager 2.9%. This mathematical reality underscores why the "Magnificent 7" (Mag 7) remain the market's fulcrum; they are carrying the entire growth narrative, making their earnings reports pivotal for market direction.
- CapEx vs. Monetization Phase: The market has transitioned from rewarding "AI announcements" to demanding "AI results." Massive capital expenditures (CapEx) on chips and data centers are no longer viewed purely as innovation; they are scrutinized as costs. Companies must now demonstrate a clear ROI and specific revenue streams attached to these billions in spending, or risk punishment from investors.
- Bullish Broadening vs. Crash: Contrary to the belief that a market must crash if its leaders stall, the current environment shows "bullish broadening." As the Mag 7 trade sideways, capital is rotating into the remaining 493 S&P companies. This rotation creates a less fragile market structure, reducing reliance on just a handful of tickers.
- The Secular Bull Market in Electricity: The Utilities sector is undergoing a fundamental re-rating. No longer just slow-growth yield plays, utilities are now viewed as "picks and shovels" for the AI revolution. Data centers require immense power, transforming electricity generation and transmission assets into critical growth enablers with long-term demand.
- Asset-Light vs. Asset-Heavy Shift: Big tech companies (Meta, Google) are evolving from "asset-light" models (high returns, low capital needs) to "asset-heavy" operations requiring billions in physical infrastructure (GPUs, data centers). While expensive, this evolution is necessary to secure future cash flows in an AI-dominated world.
- SaaS vs. Semis Divergence: A major capital rotation is occurring out of Software as a Service (SaaS) and into Semiconductors. The market fears AI will allow users to code their own software, commoditizing SaaS platforms. Conversely, chips (semis) are seen as the scarce, essential commodity, driving massive inflows into hardware over software.
- The "Cheap Stock" Trap: Buying stocks with low P/E multiples ("cheap" stocks) heading into earnings is statistically often a losing strategy. Data suggests that stocks with expanding multiples are more likely to see upward earnings revisions. "Cheap" stocks often remain cheap because they are fundamentally underperforming, while expensive stocks are priced high because the market correctly anticipates growth.
Quotes
- At 0:05:07 - "If you pull tech out and just look at the other 10 sectors in aggregate, it's really more like 2.9% earnings growth. So for the people that are like, 'Why is the financial media so focused on Mag 7?'... This is why. It's basically the most important fulcrum that moves the entire market." - Josh Brown explains the mathematical necessity of focusing on big tech earnings.
- At 0:11:47 - "All the street wants to hear is like, there's a revenue stream attached to all this money that you're spending... They're not a cloud data center business... they are a spender on AI." - Josh Brown highlights the specific pressure on Meta to prove their AI spending isn't just a cost center.
- At 0:20:55 - "The best thing that could have happened to the rest of the stock market is that those names [Mag 7] do nothing... We’re not VIX 25 because Meta and Microsoft are struggling. It almost doesn't matter. The money is finding other places to go." - Explaining that market health improves when rally participation widens beyond just a few tech giants.
- At 0:23:09 - "Tesla is both a big user of Nvidia silicon and is also going to see Nvidia become a fierce competitor in two of the markets that they're telling their investors they're the most excited about." - Highlightng an underpriced risk: the eventual collision course between Nvidia and Tesla in autonomous driving and robotics.
- At 0:24:24 - "The biggest mistake you can make right now in a market like this is being a serial top caller. Right now the crowd is just starting to get on board with the bull... we're still far from the kind of euphoria that screams market top." - Warning against fighting the trend during the early stages of a sentiment shift.
- At 0:28:50 - "It’s a secular bull market in electricity... The demand for electricity is in overdrive... those assets—the electricity generation, the pipelines, the transmission mechanism... have gone through a once-in-a-century re-rate and that's not coming back off." - Explaining why utility stocks are no longer just defensive plays but are essential to the AI growth story.
- At 0:33:09 - "The way that you make money by trading is by buying stocks that you think are going to go up. And the stocks that are going to go up are the stocks that are already going up. An object in motion stays in motion." - Defining the momentum trading philosophy: avoiding "value traps" (losers) in favor of established winners.
- At 0:43:40 - "Stop selling stocks every time the market drops 10%... That's your only way out of this. Invest or die." - Josh Brown, emphasizing that reacting emotionally to volatility is the primary way investors fail to capture long-term gains.
- At 0:45:53 - "Salesforce turns unstructured data into clean data that's usable. But like 95% of the functionality of Salesforce, people don't even use... If I could just literally make my own [software], game over." - Michael Batnick, explaining the existential threat AI poses to bloated software platforms.
- At 0:54:33 - "What are we saying? That OpenAI's most important thing is not selling subscriptions like an enterprise software business? Because it is." - Josh Brown, predicting that AI companies will eventually just become standard enterprise software companies once they go public.
- At 0:58:28 - "Companies that get more expensive, no matter what their starting valuation level, are far more likely to get upward revisions than companies that just saw lower multiples." - Josh Brown, debunking the strategy of bargain-hunting for low P/E stocks before earnings reports.
Takeaways
- Monitor "The Other 493": Watch for continued strength in sectors outside the Magnificent 7 (like industrials and financials). If these sectors rise while big tech stalls, it confirms a healthy "broadening" rather than a market top.
- Demand ROI from AI Spenders: When evaluating tech stocks, look past the hype of chip hoarding. Prioritize companies that articulate exactly how their AI spend is generating new revenue now, not just in the distant future.
- Re-evaluate Utilities: Stop viewing utilities purely as low-risk income stocks. Consider them as an "AI Infrastructure" play, necessary for the power demands of data centers, and evaluate if your portfolio is under-exposed to this sector.
- Be Wary of General SaaS: Exercise caution with "Horizontal SaaS" companies (general tools like Salesforce). They face higher disruption risks from AI than "Vertical SaaS" companies (niche tools like Toast) which have defensible, industry-specific workflows.
- Follow the Momentum: Avoid the temptation to buy beaten-down stocks because they look "cheap" before earnings. Focus on companies with expanding multiples and positive price action, as they are statistically more likely to receive upward earnings revisions.
- Don't Fight the Sentiment Shift: If long-term sentiment indicators are just flipping from bearish to bullish, history suggests the trend has room to run. Avoid trying to call the "top" of the market too early.
- Consider International Exposure: Look at emerging markets (specifically India) and broader international indices. Smart money flows and technicals suggest a global rotation is underway after 15 years of US outperformance.