RENAN SANTOS MANDA A REAL SOBRE A NOVA GERAÇÃO E AS ELEIÇÕES

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Os Economistas Podcast Feb 10, 2026

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This episode covers a strategic discussion between Renan Santos and Kim Kataguiri regarding the generational shift in Brazilian politics and the need for pragmatic state investment. There are three key takeaways from their conversation. First, they identify a distinct political alignment among Gen Z men who reject traditional Bolsonarismo. Second, they argue for a shift in state education funding toward applied sciences to boost national sovereignty. Finally, they emphasize that successful political leadership requires a balance of intelligence and loyalty. The discussion highlights a critical cognitive gap between older voters and younger generations. The speakers suggest that older demographics are increasingly susceptible to absurd conspiracy theories and low-quality fake news, making them difficult to reach with rational debate. Conversely, they view Gen Z men as a more skeptical and viable demographic for their movement. Consequently, they advise focusing persuasion efforts on these younger voters rather than expending energy on radicalized older populations. On the policy front, the conversation advocates for ruthlessly pragmatic resource allocation. They argue the state should prioritize funding for fields like nuclear engineering and biotechnology over the humanities. While acknowledging that high-tech investment carries a high failure rate, they posit that the few scalable successes are essential for securing national wealth. They also critique the current disconnect where elite engineering graduates migrate to the financial sector rather than developing national technology. The episode concludes by advising aspiring politicians to cultivate both intellectual capability and loyalty to their cause, noting that relying on loyalty alone often results in incompetence.

Episode Overview

  • Renan Santos and Kim Kataguiri discuss the generational shift in Brazilian politics, arguing that Gen Z men are increasingly aligning with their movement over traditional Bolsonarismo.
  • The conversation critiques the susceptibility of older generations to "fake news" and absurd conspiracy theories, contrasting it with the skepticism of younger voters.
  • They explore the role of state investment in education and technology, specifically advocating for applied sciences like nuclear engineering to boost national sovereignty.
  • The episode concludes with advice for aspiring politicians, emphasizing the need for intelligence combined with loyalty to successfully navigate the political landscape.

Key Concepts

  • The Generational Divide in Political Information Consumption: A central theme is the cognitive gap between older voters (specifically the "Zap" generation) and Gen Z. The speakers argue that older demographics are easily manipulated by low-quality fake news (e.g., "Lula hanging Bolsonaro"), making them a lost cause for rational political debate. Conversely, they claim to have a significant lead among Gen Z men, who they view as less susceptible to these crude tactics.

  • Strategic Resource Allocation for National Sovereignty: The discussion shifts to economic policy, advocating that state funding in education should be ruthlessly pragmatic. Instead of funding humanities or "ideological" research, the state should focus on applied sciences, engineering, and biotechnology. The argument is that while high-tech investment has a high failure rate, the few successes provide scalable returns that secure national wealth and sovereignty.

  • The Disconnect Between Education and Market Needs: There is a critical examination of Brazil's public education system, noting that elite institutions like ITA often produce engineers who migrate to the financial sector (Faria Lima) rather than developing national technology. This "brain drain" suggests a failure in the country's economic complex to absorb and utilize the high-level human capital it creates.

Quotes

  • At 0:59 - "Como é que eu vou virar o voto de uma vovó que acredita que o Lula tá dando um mata-leão no Bolsonaro? Eu vou gastar muita energia... lei do mínimo esforço. Deixa a vovó... a vovó vai ser enganada ali." - Renan Santos illustrating the futility of trying to convert older voters who have fallen for absurd fake news, emphasizing a strategic pivot to younger generations.
  • At 3:10 - "Investimento em tecnologia, boa parte se perde. Mas um pequeno percentual vai funcionar, só que os ganhos que você tem com esse pequeno percentual são altamente escaláveis." - Renan Santos explaining the venture capital-like approach the state must take toward scientific research: expecting failure but banking on the massive returns of the successes.
  • At 5:35 - "Não adianta nada o cara ser muito leal e não ser inteligente, o PT padece disso... Lealdade com inteligência forma grandes líderes." - Renan Santos defining the ideal political candidate, contrasting blind loyalty (which leads to incompetence) with the combination of loyalty and intellect required for effective leadership.

Takeaways

  • Focus political persuasion efforts on younger demographics (Gen Z) who are more open to rational discourse, rather than wasting energy debating conspiracy theories with older, radicalized voters.
  • Advocate for educational policies that prioritize STEM and applied sciences (like nuclear engineering) to create tangible economic value and national defense capabilities.
  • When entering politics or leadership, cultivate both loyalty to your cause and intellectual capability; relying on loyalty alone often results in incompetence and failure.