Position Sizing When Markets Break feat. Rob Carver | Systematic Investor | Ep.386

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Top Traders Unplugged Feb 08, 2026

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This episode explores the critical mechanics of systematic trend following, examining how volatility targeting and the Total Portfolio Approach protect capital during market dislocations like the recent crash in Silver. There are four key takeaways from this conversation. First, dynamic position sizing is the primary defense against sudden market collapses. Second, liquidity in parabolic markets is often an illusion that traps traders when trends reverse. Third, effective portfolio construction requires viewing every trade as part of a single, cohesive risk entity rather than isolated bets. Finally, during major crises, traditional markets often provide better protection than exotic alternatives. Dynamic position sizing serves as a cornerstone of systematic trading. The central argument is that position size cannot remain static but must fluctuate inversely with market volatility. As a market becomes riskier, a robust system automatically reduces exposure to keep the overall risk constant. This mechanical adjustment explains why systematic traders survived the recent Silver crash with minimal damage. While buy and hold investors suffered the full drawdown, quantitative models had likely already scaled back positions as volatility began to creep up prior to the collapse. The conversation highlights the danger of the liquidity illusion in niche markets. When an asset like Silver goes parabolic, it attracts tourists who do not typically operate in that space, creating high volume on the way up. However, liquidity is dynamic. The podcast uses the analogy of a cinema with only one exit to describe what happens when the trend turns. Buyers vanish instantly, creating a vacuum that causes outsized price drops and traps those without strict risk protocols. Investors should adopt the Total Portfolio Approach when managing risk. Instead of viewing a portfolio as a collection of disconnected trades, it should be treated as a single instrument. Every decision, whether adding a new asset or adjusting a stop-loss, must be evaluated based on how it impacts the risk and return characteristics of the entire portfolio. This approach prioritizes diversification over prediction, ensuring that a twenty-six percent drop in a single instrument results in only a minor drag on the total account value. A technical deep dive into model construction reveals a hierarchy of predictability. Future volatility is highly predictable, while future returns are almost entirely noise. Therefore, robust systems use shorter lookback windows, such as one month, to catch fast-moving volatility changes, but rely on longer windows, like six months, for correlation estimates to avoid over-trading. Finally, the discussion addresses the Crisis Alpha paradox. In normal conditions, exotic alternative markets offer valuable diversification. However, during major financial panics when correlations converge to one, trend followers should prioritize exposure to major asset classes. Research suggests that the massive trends in liquid markets like bonds and currencies provide the bulk of the defensive returns during a crisis, while niche markets may suffer from liquidity constraints when they are needed most. Systematic investing ultimately relies not on predicting price, but on rigorous risk management that adapts to changing market regimes.

Episode Overview

  • Explores the critical mechanisms of systematic trend following, specifically focusing on how volatility targeting and position sizing protect capital during market crashes like the recent Silver drop.
  • Examines the "Total Portfolio Approach" (TPA), arguing that investment decisions should be viewed through the lens of the entire portfolio's risk profile rather than as isolated bets.
  • Discusses the specific role of "Crisis Alpha," explaining why traditional markets (stocks/bonds) often provide better protection during major financial panics than exotic alternative markets.
  • Provides a technical deep dive into portfolio construction, including the different time horizons needed for estimating volatility versus correlation and the structural advantages of capital efficiency in futures trading.

Key Concepts

  • Dynamic Position Sizing & Volatility Adjustments A cornerstone of systematic trading is that position size is not static; it fluctuates based on market volatility. As a market becomes more volatile (riskier), the system automatically reduces position size to keep the overall risk constant. This mechanical adjustment is what protected systematic traders during the silver crash; while "buy and hold" investors suffered the full drawdown, systematic models had likely already reduced exposure as volatility crept up before the collapse.

  • The Liquidity Illusion in Parabolic Markets In niche markets like Silver, a parabolic price run-up attracts "tourists"—traders who don't usually operate in that space. This creates an illusion of high liquidity because volume is high on the way up. However, liquidity is dynamic. When the trend turns, buyers vanish instantly (the "cinema with one exit" analogy). This liquidity vacuum causes outsized price drops, trapping those without strict risk protocols.

  • Portfolio as "Gesamtkunstwerk" (Total Work of Art) Investing should be approached via the "Total Portfolio Approach." Instead of viewing a portfolio as a collection of disconnected trades, it should be seen as a single, cohesive entity. Every decision—whether adding a new asset or adjusting a stop-loss—must be evaluated based on how it impacts the risk and return characteristics of the entire portfolio, effectively treating the portfolio as a single instrument.

  • The "Crisis Alpha" Paradox & Idiosyncratic Risk In normal market conditions, diversification relies on assets being uncorrelated (moving independently). However, during major crises, correlations often converge to 1 (everything falls together). Research suggests that during these specific panic events, trend followers should actually prioritize exposure to traditional markets (like shorting stocks and going long bonds) rather than "exotic" alternatives. The massive trends in major asset classes during a crisis drive the bulk of the returns ("Crisis Alpha"), while niche markets offer less protection during liquidity events.

  • Hierarchy of Predictability When building trading models, not all variables are equally predictable. Future volatility is the most predictable (high autocorrelation), followed by correlation (moderately predictable), with future returns being nearly impossible to predict (mostly noise). Therefore, robust systems use shorter lookback windows (e.g., 1 month) to catch fast-moving volatility changes, but longer windows (e.g., 6 months) for correlation estimates to avoid over-trading based on noisy data.

Quotes

  • At 6:10 - "CTAs generally will have positions that are a function of two things: the strength of the trend and the volatility of the instrument you're trading." - Explaining the fundamental formula that automatically scales down risk when markets become dangerous.
  • At 10:02 - "Anyone who sells on the hint of volatility spiking... the more people there are in a particular market like that, the more it will magnify the move." - Describing the feedback loop where simultaneous risk management selling can unintentionally accelerate a market crash.
  • At 15:36 - "If the price starts to move adversely against you... it's like the cinema with only one fire door, right? Everyone gets jammed trying to get through the exit at the same time." - Using a vivid analogy to explain why liquidity evaporates instantly during panic selling in smaller markets.
  • At 17:04 - "On Friday I lost 3% of my total account value because I have a reasonably diversified portfolio... If I was very highly concentrated in silver that would have been a much bigger number." - Illustrating the massive difference between asset-level volatility (a 26% crash) and portfolio-level risk (a 3% dip).
  • At 19:20 - "For him [Bunker Hunt] was not about making a lot of money necessarily, it was about controlling... but he kept buying for borrowed money." - Contrasting emotional, leveraged pyramiding (which leads to ruin) with the dispassionate risk reduction of modern systems.
  • At 32:27 - "Volatility... is much more predictable than correlation... but if you were to try and predict means [returns], you'd get nothing. You'd just get noise." - Establishing the hierarchy of financial data reliability that guides how systems should be built.
  • At 33:28 - "You probably want to use something like about a 6-month rolling estimate [for correlation] versus about a 1-month rolling estimate for vol." - Providing a practical rule of thumb for calibrating the sensitivity of different risk models.
  • At 39:27 - "The key thing that's interesting about these alternative and esoteric markets is... a much bigger proportion of their returns are idiosyncratic; they're not coming from these big factors." - Explaining why alternative markets are valuable for diversification in normal times, even if they are less useful during global crises.
  • At 40:27 - "In a crisis... you basically want to just make fairly big bets on going... short equities, long bonds. You're not really going to need your fancy... other weird markets there to help you." - Highlighting the counter-intuitive strategy that simpler markets provide the best protection during complex financial meltdowns.

Takeaways

  • Target Volatility, Not Just Returns: Implement a system where your position size automatically decreases as an asset's volatility increases. This acts as a natural brake that prevents a sudden market explosion from blowing up your account.
  • Differentiate Your Lookback Windows: Do not use the same timeframe for all metrics. Use a short window (e.g., 1 month) to react quickly to volatility spikes, but a longer window (e.g., 6 months) to estimate correlations to prevent "whipsaw" trading from noise.
  • Leverage Capital Efficiency: Utilize the margin efficiency of futures (where you only post ~20-30% collateral) to overlay trend following strategies onto a core portfolio (like stocks/bonds) without having to sell your base assets.
  • Prioritize Diversification Over Prediction: Accept that you cannot predict which specific market will crash. Defense comes from holding uncorrelated assets so that a 26% drop in one instrument (like Silver) only results in a minor single-digit drag on the total portfolio.
  • Adjust Allocation for "Crisis" vs. "Normal" Regimes: Recognize that while exotic markets provide great diversification in normal times, during a true financial crisis, you should rely on major asset classes (bonds, currencies, indices) to generate the "Crisis Alpha" needed to offset equity losses.