"God Bless China": The End of American Ideology? | Marko Papic

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Jacob Shapiro Dec 18, 2025

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This episode covers the dramatic shift in US China relations following a key meeting, signaling an amoral pragmatic foreign policy that surprised global investors. There are three key takeaways from this analysis. First, high level diplomatic meetings and their optics profoundly signal geopolitical shifts to allies and markets. Second, the move from an ideological to a pragmatic foreign policy demands investors reevaluate strategies. Third, rhetoric from key political figures can indicate fundamental changes in national strategy and economic realities. The renewal of US China military communication channels, previously severed, highlights the importance of such signals. A tweet by Pete Hegseth, signaling a friendly tone toward China, served as a major policy indicator. These actions force allies and markets to react to sudden diplomatic thaws. This new approach reflects a 19th century realpolitik, where great powers communicate and make deals despite being rivals. The shift away from a value laden foreign policy allows for transactional engagement with adversaries. This amoral stance redefines international relations. Such shifts impact investment strategies, as seen by investors who missed Chinas strong market performance. Allies, like Australia, had allocated zero capital based on previous anti China narratives. A simple phrase from a key figure can dramatically alter economic landscapes. Understanding these signals is crucial for navigating rapidly evolving global dynamics and market opportunities.

Episode Overview

  • The episode analyzes the significant shift in US-China relations following a meeting between President Trump and President Xi.
  • It highlights the renewal of military-to-military communication channels, which had previously been severed, as a key development.
  • The discussion centers on a tweet by Pete Hegseth, referred to as the "Secretary of War," whose friendly tone towards China is seen as a major policy signal.
  • The speakers frame this new approach as an "amoral," pragmatic foreign policy reminiscent of 19th-century realpolitik, which has caught many global investors by surprise.

Key Concepts

  • US-China Military Communication: The speakers discuss the importance of renewing communication lines between the US and Chinese militaries to de-escalate potential conflicts.
  • Amoral Foreign Policy: The idea that the Trump administration is shifting from a value-laden, ideological foreign policy to a more pragmatic, transactional approach where deals can be made with adversaries.
  • Signaling in Geopolitics: The analysis focuses on how specific actions and statements, like Pete Hegseth's "God bless both China and the USA!" tweet, serve as powerful signals to the global community about a change in US strategy.
  • Market Implications: The conversation explores how this sudden diplomatic thaw has impacted investors, particularly those in allied countries like Australia who had allocated zero capital to China based on the previous anti-China narrative from the US.
  • 19th-Century Realpolitik: The speakers draw parallels between the current US foreign policy and the 19th-century model, where great powers communicated and made deals with each other despite being rivals.

Quotes

  • At 01:20 - "You guys are talking to each other? Like, you mean you weren't? Like, what the..." - Expressing shock that communication channels between the US and Chinese militaries had been severed in the first place.
  • At 02:46 - "Secretary of War! Pete Hegseth is out there saying God bless China. So fuck yeah, I think that was an important meeting and we should not scoff at it." - Emphasizing the profound significance of a high-ranking official's dramatic change in rhetoric towards China.
  • At 03:33 - "If you're excited about how good American stocks are doing, the Chinese did 4x this year. The best-performing stock market is the Chinese stock market." - Highlighting the market rally that many investors missed by following the previous anti-China narrative.

Takeaways

  • High-level diplomatic meetings and the optics surrounding them matter, as they can signal major geopolitical shifts to allies and markets.
  • A shift from an ideological to a pragmatic foreign policy requires investors and allies to re-evaluate their strategies, as long-held assumptions about international relations can change quickly.
  • Rhetoric from key political figures is a crucial indicator; a seemingly simple phrase can represent a fundamental change in national strategy and create new economic realities.