Christmas Special ft. George Clarkey and Arthur Hill #38

Bach and Arthur Podcast Bach and Arthur Podcast Dec 23, 2024

Audio Brief

Show transcript
This festive episode dives into holiday banter, unusual gift exchanges, and a critical look at Christmas traditions, music, and films. The discussion yields three key insights. First, holiday gatherings thrive on spontaneous, lighthearted banter and unique family traditions rather than strict agendas. Second, many cherished Christmas customs, including the modern Santa Claus, have surprisingly recent, commercial, or even ancient pagan origins. Finally, the definition of a 'Christmas movie' is broad and subjective, encouraging a critical re-evaluation of classic holiday media, including controversial elements in beloved songs. The episode showcases how informal conversations and running jokes create the most memorable holiday experiences. A chaotic gift exchange with a bath bomb for a bath-hater and a Godfather music box sparked recurring humor. Discussions about family breakfast rituals and an improvised monologue highlighted the value of unscripted moments. Modern Christmas traditions are a blend of varied influences. The contemporary image of Santa Claus, for example, largely stems from 20th-century commercial advertising. Even the December 25th celebration itself has roots in ancient pagan festivals marking the winter solstice and the birth of the unconquered sun. The group successfully ranked their top ten Christmas films, including classics like Home Alone, while debating unconventional choices like Die Hard. This highlighted the subjective nature of what constitutes a 'Christmas movie.' Conversations also touched upon the controversial lyrics in beloved songs like 'Fairytale of New York' and the 'white savior complex' of Band Aid. Ultimately, the holiday spirit is found in shared humor, diverse perspectives, and the evolving narrative of cherished traditions.

Episode Overview

  • In this chaotic Christmas special, the hosts are joined by their friends George Clarke and Arthur Hill for an episode filled with festive banter, unusual gift exchanges, and personal anecdotes.
  • The group's attempt to rank the UK's Christmas number-one hits from the 2000s quickly derails into tangents about Santa's commercial origins, controversial lyrics, and random impressions.
  • Pivoting from music, they successfully rank their top ten Christmas films, covering classics like Home Alone and Elf while debating unconventional choices like Die Hard.
  • The conversation delves into personal family traditions, from unique Christmas morning meals to the pagan origins of the holiday, all culminating in an absurd, improvised monologue.

Key Concepts

  • Christmas Special Banter: The episode is a festive special featuring guests George Clarke and Arthur Hill, characterized by chaotic, lighthearted conversation and running gags.
  • Unusual Gift Exchange: The podcast kicks off with a gift exchange that includes a bath bomb for someone who hates baths and a music box that plays the theme from The Godfather, sparking a recurring joke.
  • Santa Claus Mythology: The group discusses personal stories of discovering the truth about Santa and explores how the modern image of Santa was heavily influenced by Coca-Cola advertising.
  • Christmas Music Ranking: An attempt to rank UK Christmas number-one hits from the 2000s, which is quickly abandoned due to numerous tangents about artists like LadBaby and Bob the Builder.
  • Christmas Movie Ranking: A more successful ranking of the group's top ten Christmas films, including The Polar Express, Elf, Scrooged, and Home Alone, accompanied by numerous quotes and impressions.
  • Debating Holiday Media: The conversation touches on unconventional Christmas movies like Eyes Wide Shut and the controversial lyrics in classic songs like "Fairytale of New York" and Band Aid's charity single.
  • Personal & Historical Traditions: The hosts share their unique family Christmas traditions, such as specific breakfast foods and an Italian pre-dinner pasta course, and discuss the pagan origins of the December 25th celebration.

Quotes

  • At 0:10 - "Right, so hello and welcome back to another episode of the Bach & Arthur podcast. It's episode 38, which is the Christmas special, everyone!" - The host officially begins the Christmas-themed episode.
  • At 3:09 - "You come to me on the day that Jesus was born, and you ask me for a gift." - A host does a dramatic Godfather impression after gifting Arthur a music box that plays the film's theme.
  • At 4:13 - "You don't like 'em? ... I hate 'em." - The hosts discover that George, the recipient of a bath bomb, actually hates taking baths.
  • At 11:36 - "...on the Saving Grace episode that Santa wasn't real and all of my little sisters watched it." - Bach reveals that he accidentally ruined the Santa Claus myth for his younger sisters during a previous podcast appearance.
  • At 14:52 - "...my oldest sisters, obviously knew the truth... And so I went into the fireplace and grabbed a piece of coal... and put it in her stocking." - Arthur tells the story of how a childhood Christmas prank on his sister backfired and led to him finding out the truth about Santa Claus.
  • At 24:46 - "So he's just made up?" - A host asks after hearing that the modern Santa Claus is a blend of different traditions and commercial marketing.
  • At 29:35 - "Do you know it's Christmas? Do you know it's Christmas time?" - The hosts discuss the Band Aid song, touching upon the modern-day controversy that its lyrics have a "white savior complex."
  • At 33:55 - "I can feel something inside of me say, 'I really don't think you're strong enough now.'" - After a brief, confused moment, one host breaks into a passionate, off-key rendition of Cher's "Believe."
  • At 34:54 - "Oh my god, is fucking LadBaby going to be on this at some point?" - A host correctly predicts the inevitable appearance of the YouTuber known for getting multiple Christmas number-one hits.
  • At 39:04 - "I was ice skating a couple of days ago, and he straight up sang it, and everyone just kind of went, 'What?'" - A host describes his surprise at hearing a live performer sing the original, controversial lyrics of "Fairytale of New York."
  • At 54:21 - "That's it, if I can't find something to wear, I'm not going." - George quotes the Grinch, highlighting the character's relatable, melodramatic nature.
  • At 55:01 - "Who's that? It's fucking Tom Hanks, love... Oh, is it Tom Hanks? Oh, it's Tom Hanks again!" - Arthur humorously describes the experience of watching The Polar Express and realizing Tom Hanks voices nearly every character.
  • At 56:56 - "The last line... is the word 'fuck,' and that's pretty cool." - Chip shares an obscure fact about the Stanley Kubrick film Eyes Wide Shut, which he argues is a Christmas movie.
  • At 58:36 - "The birth of the unconquered sun! A celebration of the sun's return after the winter solstice." - George passionately explains the pagan origins of the December 25th celebration, linking it to the Roman festival of Sol Invictus.
  • At 1:04:47 - "I come into your home, I give you life. I give your mother life. And I can take it away as quickly as I give it... Merry Christmas, motherfucker." - In a climactic and absurd moment, Arthur delivers a threatening monologue in a mafioso voice over the sound of a gentle music box.

Takeaways

  • Embrace your own unique and quirky family traditions, as they are often the most memorable parts of the holiday experience.
  • The best holiday gatherings are often unscripted and chaotic, thriving on spontaneity rather than a strict agenda.
  • When ranking creative works like music or movies, the entertaining tangents and discussions are often more valuable than the final list itself.
  • Expand your holiday movie watchlist by considering that the definition of a "Christmas movie" is subjective and can include films simply set during the season.
  • Engage critically with classic holiday media, as some beloved songs and films may contain outdated or controversial elements.
  • Recognize that many cherished holiday traditions, including the modern image of Santa Claus, have surprisingly recent and commercial origins.
  • Comical or unexpected childhood experiences, like finding out the truth about Santa, often evolve into treasured family stories.
  • The spirit of Christmas celebrations has deep historical roots, some of which trace back to pre-Christian pagan festivals celebrating the winter solstice.
  • Humor, running jokes, and shared pop culture references are a powerful way to bond with friends and family during the holidays.